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bill clinton was needed by barack obama and clinton loves to be needed. that's what carries forward. i don't think that dynamic will change now. for both of them to establish what they want in history, they need each other. and it's also true, and the reason bill clinton reacted so strongly to that comment about ronald reagan, is because bill clinton understood some of the truth of that. he always realized that he was just sort of a transitional presidency and he granted that he didn't have the opportunity that he felt to be a great president because no crisis arose that a rot of them shot. and for that reason, for the fact that barack obama is truly the first black president whereas bill clinton was sort of symbolically and loved, you know, the better part of his nature was his idealism about race. for those reasons, it created some problems between them. but, in politics, both of these men realized there are no permanent friends and no permanent enemies and they need each other right now. >> did clinton like your book, "first in his class." >> at the ti
bill clinton was needed by barack obama and clinton loves to be needed. that's what carries forward. i don't think that dynamic will change now. for both of them to establish what they want in history, they need each other. and it's also true, and the reason bill clinton reacted so strongly to that comment about ronald reagan, is because bill clinton understood some of the truth of that. he always realized that he was just sort of a transitional presidency and he granted that he didn't have the...
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we learned in the 1990s whether bill clinton was president, nothing shrinks the deficit faster than a growing economy that creates good, middle class jobs. that should be our driving focus. making american a magnet for good jobs. equipping our people with the skills required to fill those jobs and making sure their hard work leads to a decent living. those are the things we should be pushing ourselves to think about and work on every single day. that is what the american people expect. that's what i'm going to work on every single day to help deliver. so i need everybody who is watching today to understand we got a few days, congress can do the right thing. we can avert just one more washington manufactured problem that slows our recovery, and bring down our deficits in a balanced, responsible way. that's my goal. that's what would do right by these first responders. that's what would do right by america's middle class and what i'm going to be working on and fighting for, not just over the next few weeks, but over the next few years. thanks very much, everybody. thank you, guys, for y
we learned in the 1990s whether bill clinton was president, nothing shrinks the deficit faster than a growing economy that creates good, middle class jobs. that should be our driving focus. making american a magnet for good jobs. equipping our people with the skills required to fill those jobs and making sure their hard work leads to a decent living. those are the things we should be pushing ourselves to think about and work on every single day. that is what the american people expect. that's...
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clinton, bush and obama. which shows how irrelevant at the end of the day they are to the swing voters. i actually think all the hatred, with swing voters actually helps the sitting president. >> all right. jim vandehei, thank you very much. still ahead on "morning joe," former secretary of state, madeleine albright and frank bruni and "hardball's" chris matthews and the israeli ambassador to the u.s., michael oren, with the president's upcoming trip to israel. >>> after a very cold stretch, new england is warming up. we will watch the clouds and rain moving in. you don't need the haveneaviest all coats today but you need an uchl brel la. rain in new england southward to new england and baltimore areas and watching rain from buffalo to cleveland to pittsburgh and just about done in south atlanta and you will get rain in your morning rush hour and mobile and pensacola and panama city. the only snowy weather is to the north behind the storm, breaking out from green bay, oshkosh to chicago. and behind that, it i
clinton, bush and obama. which shows how irrelevant at the end of the day they are to the swing voters. i actually think all the hatred, with swing voters actually helps the sitting president. >> all right. jim vandehei, thank you very much. still ahead on "morning joe," former secretary of state, madeleine albright and frank bruni and "hardball's" chris matthews and the israeli ambassador to the u.s., michael oren, with the president's upcoming trip to israel....
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clinton-ryan? >> i think they're one to one. if hillary clinton runs, we all thought she was the inevitable candidate in 2008, and we're proved wrong. but certainly she would start out as a huge frontrunner, nobody else on the democratic side. so really it is a question if paul ryan can get through. i would say james garfield, the only sitting house member ever elected president. >> and jonathan, he is also up against the viewers. the history, doing the television age that the losing vice presidential candidate always goes on to never be president. ana-marie cox, and jonathan allen, thank you very much. >>> coming up, when do you think mississippi ratified the 13th amendment abolishing slavery in this country? send us your guesses on facebook or twitter, the answer coming up. here is a hint. it actually took a movie to get them to do it. >>> and the most love-sick governor of our time, back, running for congress in south carolina. and the frontrunner in the democratic party to run against him it steven colbert's sister. we'll pr
clinton-ryan? >> i think they're one to one. if hillary clinton runs, we all thought she was the inevitable candidate in 2008, and we're proved wrong. but certainly she would start out as a huge frontrunner, nobody else on the democratic side. so really it is a question if paul ryan can get through. i would say james garfield, the only sitting house member ever elected president. >> and jonathan, he is also up against the viewers. the history, doing the television age that the...
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that is something president clinton did, people don't realize until the crisis becomes threatened, but real. >> there is nothing he can do. i mean, it is going to happen. he is just making a suggestion, hey, guys, how about something smaller now if you can't get the big deal done. >> and sometimes that is what congress needs. i was just in washington over the weekend. you go in all the museums where you don't have to pay an entrance fee to get in. they're all subsidized by the taxpayer. one woman said you know, we're always the villain, but we're there doing the hard work they don't know we're doing. federal workers are always the bad guy. people don't understand the government is things like the post office or things we need. everybody wants to cut the government, but when you explain what it is, nobody wants to cut it. >> you know, i rely on air traffic controllers and we'll be relying them in the next segment. i'm going to find out if i'm going to actually fly in the next segment. joy reid, and ari melber, thank you for joining us. >>> coming up, on the sequester thing, the democrat
that is something president clinton did, people don't realize until the crisis becomes threatened, but real. >> there is nothing he can do. i mean, it is going to happen. he is just making a suggestion, hey, guys, how about something smaller now if you can't get the big deal done. >> and sometimes that is what congress needs. i was just in washington over the weekend. you go in all the museums where you don't have to pay an entrance fee to get in. they're all subsidized by the...
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it's also the agency for her husband, president bill clinton. we're told that folks in the speaking industry expect she'll be one of the highest paid speakers ever to hit the circuit. high six figures up there with president clinton, tony blair, george w. bush. >> i think no surprise there. >> this is what a lot of people do. step out of public life, make yourself a little money perhaps before stepping back into public life. >> the clintons need that. they don't have a lot. you know, i understand that when they go on vacation, they have a canoe and this little shack in arkansas. >> sometimes a days inn. >> i love days inn. >> econo lodge. they like that one too. >> mike, let's talk about something happening in washington. john mccain had a big splash of news yesterday when he talked about universal background checks. going to gain wide support by republicans in congress. that's huge news, and it's not just huge news in a political sense. people that have really been focused on reducing gun crime for a very long time say, yes, they'd like to have
it's also the agency for her husband, president bill clinton. we're told that folks in the speaking industry expect she'll be one of the highest paid speakers ever to hit the circuit. high six figures up there with president clinton, tony blair, george w. bush. >> i think no surprise there. >> this is what a lot of people do. step out of public life, make yourself a little money perhaps before stepping back into public life. >> the clintons need that. they don't have a lot....
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i was for the clinton rates. i'm for the clinton rates today. now, i wouldn't phase in the clinton rates immediately because the economy's still trying to get back. >> right. >> so i would perhaps go at least another year until you get the full clinton rates. >> give us two cuts. two cuts you'd make. >> spending cuts? >> two spending cuts. >> i think on entitlements, i think we need to look at cost of living adjustments. i think we need to look at -- very frankly, let me give you a specific cut that i think we ought to go back to, in effect. people are talking about, well, people can't work past a certain age. let's assume that. but previous to the '90s, when you continue to work and you were over 65 and you earned income, you had an offset. now, if we reinstated that offset, i'm 73 years of age. i'm still working. i'm getting social security. if there was an offset, it wouldn't affect me. i'm working. i'm making an income. that can get you anywhere between $80 billion and $100 billion. >> over a year. >> no, over ten years to reinstate that off
i was for the clinton rates. i'm for the clinton rates today. now, i wouldn't phase in the clinton rates immediately because the economy's still trying to get back. >> right. >> so i would perhaps go at least another year until you get the full clinton rates. >> give us two cuts. two cuts you'd make. >> spending cuts? >> two spending cuts. >> i think on entitlements, i think we need to look at cost of living adjustments. i think we need to look at -- very...
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so if you look at the electorate when bill clinton got elected versus when ronald reagan got elected, the electorate has been changing for a very long time but the right didn't notice because they have been able to use these tricks to gin up their base and maximize their vote and they have always used the far right to do it. they get them excited over cultural issues -- >> what went wrong this time? for every african-american vote or latino vote you were going to lose a more conservative white person from say the southwest, but that doesn't exactly happen. the white vote sort of been up a bit for obama and then the african-american and the other minority votes zoomed. >> and part of the problem is number one they have lost the cities. they're losing including the urban white vote, losing more educated white voters among with minority vote% and losing young voters. part of the problem is them. the messaging they use to gin up their base turns off obviously younger people, it turns off women, turns off minorities and this time they really got minute norths excited about voting. there wa
so if you look at the electorate when bill clinton got elected versus when ronald reagan got elected, the electorate has been changing for a very long time but the right didn't notice because they have been able to use these tricks to gin up their base and maximize their vote and they have always used the far right to do it. they get them excited over cultural issues -- >> what went wrong this time? for every african-american vote or latino vote you were going to lose a more conservative...
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he has the ego, the ambition to run anyway. >> cuomo/clinton primary fight. we never got it in '92 and we always wanted it. jean? >> i think i'd be curious to follow around governor scott walker of wisconsin. he started much of the antiunion business that crossed the country. others followed him. he is second tier on our talk about presidentials. but he talked about bold leadership. that's what you need. >> and he's been reaffirmed. he's won two elections. >> i'm going to follow around john kasich. the guy still wants to be president. remember when he -- >> i remember. i think i was the lone guy. sometimes the only reporter. >> exactly. this is ohio comeback. right? and he's certainly -- >> all right. i think the big guy is bobby jindal. i think he is turning into a serious, serious front-runner. shameless plugs. amy, you first. >> so on the way here had to listen to a lot from npr in their pledge drive. >> yeah. >> you know what? let's give it to public radio. >> all right. moving the pledge right on air. this is going to kill people. we'll cut you off quick
he has the ego, the ambition to run anyway. >> cuomo/clinton primary fight. we never got it in '92 and we always wanted it. jean? >> i think i'd be curious to follow around governor scott walker of wisconsin. he started much of the antiunion business that crossed the country. others followed him. he is second tier on our talk about presidentials. but he talked about bold leadership. that's what you need. >> and he's been reaffirmed. he's won two elections. >> i'm going...
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while acting out that particular instruct from their boss at work, quote, one intern wore a hillary clinton mask, the other wore a giant panda suit, which freedomworks had used at protests to denounce progresses as panderers. what they were acting out was not pandering but rather something else. okay. you can now uncover your children's eyes. but this is just the latest detail in the ongoing drama that is the slow unraveling over freedomworks. it is also the detail of how the former chairman of the group, dick armey, stormed into the group's office with a man with a gun when he was reportedly trying to seize control of the group away from the group's president, matt kibbe. there was also dick armey accusing matt kibbe of using freedomworks' staff to write his own book while all the proceeds of the book went to him. there was dick armey's letter resigning of chairman of freedomworks, demanding that the group stop using his name and likeness and his book, and demanding specifically that freedomworks deliver his official dick armey portrait to his goat farm in texas. and after all of that, the
while acting out that particular instruct from their boss at work, quote, one intern wore a hillary clinton mask, the other wore a giant panda suit, which freedomworks had used at protests to denounce progresses as panderers. what they were acting out was not pandering but rather something else. okay. you can now uncover your children's eyes. but this is just the latest detail in the ongoing drama that is the slow unraveling over freedomworks. it is also the detail of how the former chairman of...
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transformational, the word he used in saying what bill clinton was not. and that is the question. and don't think the two of those guys, clinton and obama, aren't keeping a close watch on the scoreboard. and that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "the ed show" with ed schultz starts right now. >>> good evening, americans, and welcome to "the ed show" from new york. the republicans' president's day sale on the economy a total bust. tonight the truth on our spending problem. this is "the ed show." let's get to work. >> there you go. good job. >> four years after the stimulus saved us from depression, republicans are dragging us into recession. >> spending is the problem. >> tonight the facts versus republican fantasy on the economy and the sequester. >> we have had a massive cover-up on the part -- >> but a massive cover-up of what? >> john mccain is at it again. >> do you care whether four americans died? >> retired colonel lawrence wilkerson on the blind republican rage over benghazi. >>> the luvgov is hitting the trail again. >> i'm a bottom line kind of guy. it's g
transformational, the word he used in saying what bill clinton was not. and that is the question. and don't think the two of those guys, clinton and obama, aren't keeping a close watch on the scoreboard. and that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "the ed show" with ed schultz starts right now. >>> good evening, americans, and welcome to "the ed show" from new york. the republicans' president's day sale on the economy a total bust. tonight the...
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william cohen served as secretary of defense during the clinton administration, and joins me now. right now leon panetta had to go to the brussels meeting, the mato meeting, and we are still waiting on chuck hagel, but the big difference is that with senator richard shelby yesterday, republicans saying he will support chuck hagel, clearly they all think, the white house thinks, and so do the hagel forces that they're going to have the 60 votes to overcome that filibuster. how damaged, though, has he been? has this all been to him? >> well, i think it's part of the damage that we're inflicting upon ourselves. it's the old expression, the most grieveus wounds are those that are self-inflicted. we've been inflicting serious damage on our credibility. not just at home, but abroad in the middle east region. the world is punching us. we can't make a decision on budgets. we're going over a fiscal cliff, as such, with sequestration and becoming part of the -- actually taking the -- we're losing credibility. i think this will highly impact -- i think chuck hagel should be confirmed. if he
william cohen served as secretary of defense during the clinton administration, and joins me now. right now leon panetta had to go to the brussels meeting, the mato meeting, and we are still waiting on chuck hagel, but the big difference is that with senator richard shelby yesterday, republicans saying he will support chuck hagel, clearly they all think, the white house thinks, and so do the hagel forces that they're going to have the 60 votes to overcome that filibuster. how damaged, though,...
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. >> when guns became part of that will conversation as well, and clinton won the pennsylvania primary. guns are part of a culture in new york, in new hampshire, in maine where the nra is going after susan collins in part of their advertising. it's a hard vote for members of congress. >> thank you very much. thanks to the washington post and roy montgomery and kneea malika. thank you very much. >> joining me now is maryland congressman chris van holland, the ranking member on the house budget committee and a member of the democratic steering committee that is going to hold a hearing this afternoon "hearing" on sequestration. thanks for being with us. >> it's good to be where you. >> you're not in the majority. you can't schedule a hearing. this is kind of a forum. is that a fair characterization? >> that's right, andrea. yeah. we wish that our republican colleagues would hold an official hearing to understand the terrible consequences of the sequester. it's the biggest consequence being that according to the nonpartisan congressional budget office we will lose 750,000 american jobs, in
. >> when guns became part of that will conversation as well, and clinton won the pennsylvania primary. guns are part of a culture in new york, in new hampshire, in maine where the nra is going after susan collins in part of their advertising. it's a hard vote for members of congress. >> thank you very much. thanks to the washington post and roy montgomery and kneea malika. thank you very much. >> joining me now is maryland congressman chris van holland, the ranking member on...
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hillary rodham clinton will be a two-term president. you need to get used to having a two-term democrat in the white house. >> she has a lot of experience being the presumed next president. >> wow, morris, did you have to start that so early? up [ overlapping speakers ] >> four years left of barack obama. i just wanted to be clear we're going to have 12 years left of a democratic presidency to deal with. so tony get used to this. [ overlapping speakers ] >> those are future battles, morris. let's try to deal with the ones in front of us now. >> if you guys will play your role we might be able to get something done. >> anything else? okay we're done. morris reid. >> i love tony, by the way. he's fantastic. >> same here, morris. >> thanks, you guys. appreciate it. >>> in today's office politics, former new york city mayor david dinkins discusses his long-term relationship with the clip tons. first i ask what he thinks motivates people to come out against president obama. >> i think some degree of it has to be race. sad to say. but it's a
hillary rodham clinton will be a two-term president. you need to get used to having a two-term democrat in the white house. >> she has a lot of experience being the presumed next president. >> wow, morris, did you have to start that so early? up [ overlapping speakers ] >> four years left of barack obama. i just wanted to be clear we're going to have 12 years left of a democratic presidency to deal with. so tony get used to this. [ overlapping speakers ] >> those are...
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the pairing that was obama and clinton, what do you think of the pairing that will be obama and kerry? >> it's an impressive team. both know a lot about foreign policy. the choice of europe and the mideast are important for symbolic reasons. some europeans felt that the obama administration paid too much attention to asia. this trip signals that nato is an enduring partnership for us and going to the mideast, you have so many crisis that they need to deal with from syria to iran to continued troubles in egypt and iraq. it makes sense to start here. i think that what the world is looking for for the united states is leadership. they are looking for an outward-leaning america, not trying to drawback into our borders as the far right or even the far left would have us do. secretary kerry you have a convincing and convinced international which is a great strength. >> based on that, the pivot to asia is in the confirmation hearings and he said i'm not convinced that a ramp up in the asia-pacific area is critical yet. that is something i want to look at very carefully. when you hear that an
the pairing that was obama and clinton, what do you think of the pairing that will be obama and kerry? >> it's an impressive team. both know a lot about foreign policy. the choice of europe and the mideast are important for symbolic reasons. some europeans felt that the obama administration paid too much attention to asia. this trip signals that nato is an enduring partnership for us and going to the mideast, you have so many crisis that they need to deal with from syria to iran to...
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strikes me bill clinton in 1998, the one time since the james monroe presidency that in the sixth year the white house is actually managed to pick up house seats and very hard to do that in the sixth year but what's the mood picking up among democrats in washington about how 2014 is shaping up for them and how the issues play in to them? >> i was asking that question today. they're not counting the chickens just yet. not only a different electorate in the polls in midterms, much more republican electorate than in presidential years, but you have a very different congress than in the mid-1990s. not that many districts up where obama -- where republicans sitting in seats obama won that district. there's not that much swing going on here. that doesn't mean democrats can't win back the house if things continue to go bad and what we're fighting over now put out a list of 27 members targeting over the sequester is a fight for this year to sort of set the stage for next year. still too far out to say democrats are in a position to win and we can say it's hard to win back the house. you know,
strikes me bill clinton in 1998, the one time since the james monroe presidency that in the sixth year the white house is actually managed to pick up house seats and very hard to do that in the sixth year but what's the mood picking up among democrats in washington about how 2014 is shaping up for them and how the issues play in to them? >> i was asking that question today. they're not counting the chickens just yet. not only a different electorate in the polls in midterms, much more...
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of course, bill clinton was elected president three years later by these same democrats. but they got, because they were so harshly partisan, they got dick cheney instead. >> well, but -- >> and history was forever changed. >> don't you think this is bad timing for the republicans? >> yes. i think it's terrible. >> it adds to this narrative that they're difficult? don't you need to pick your battles at some point? just stop. >> and that's my point. republicans should defer to the president. >> and look respectful. >> chuck hagel is a bad secretary of defense, if he what many people are predicting, the republican version of les aspen. >> given the nature of politics, the way it's going to go is 80 years from now when the republicans finally win the presidency, they are going to -- the democrats are going to extract revenge for the way the republicans behaved to a chuck hagel. >> that's what i don't understand, ed rendell. these parties act as if the status quo is always going to exist. these republicans -- and again, i'm not going to mention the guy's name anymore because
of course, bill clinton was elected president three years later by these same democrats. but they got, because they were so harshly partisan, they got dick cheney instead. >> well, but -- >> and history was forever changed. >> don't you think this is bad timing for the republicans? >> yes. i think it's terrible. >> it adds to this narrative that they're difficult? don't you need to pick your battles at some point? just stop. >> and that's my point....
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there has been a new skism exposed in recent weeks where leon panetta confirmed that he and hillary clinton and others and the chairman of the joint chiefs were at some point in favor of arming the rebels more to the point that the white house disagreed. what -- where do you think we can go forward now? we're approaching the second anniversary in syria. 70,000 reported dead. and the fear that if you arm the rebels that gets into the wrong hands because of the increasing al qaeda and radical and iranian influence within syria so what does a new secretary of state do? >> andrea, i do think that the secretary of state kerry is right to try to go back at this problem and see if the united states can piece together a stronger alliance of countries to help the syrian resistance inside syria because that's all we've got to go on right now. assad will not stay in power forever, but he happens to be strong enough to hold on to power for the foreseeable future, for many months to come. secretary kerry has a tall task ahead of him. the united states government is going to have to ask themselves, and i
there has been a new skism exposed in recent weeks where leon panetta confirmed that he and hillary clinton and others and the chairman of the joint chiefs were at some point in favor of arming the rebels more to the point that the white house disagreed. what -- where do you think we can go forward now? we're approaching the second anniversary in syria. 70,000 reported dead. and the fear that if you arm the rebels that gets into the wrong hands because of the increasing al qaeda and radical and...
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and unfortunately, you know, what's that hillary clinton line that she used to use? the definition of madness is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. just in terms of the politics, and also in terms of the spending and the budget piece of this, this crowd in washington right now is doing the same thing over and over. and what you're going to have, i'm afraid, for republican friends, is that the politics don't work out well. you just fought on the same territory, and it didn't work out. and now you're going to have this rolling series of furlough letters and news stories saying, people are going to lose their jobs. why haven't they come together? and the history of this doesn't look good in terms of the politics, doesn't look good in terms of the budget. also doesn't look good for people who want to deal with the underlying problems. >> the president did agree with this. this is an agreement he came up with republicans in congress. >> i mean, the absurd it'd, it was your idea, no, it was your idea is a bit much. in terms of the im
and unfortunately, you know, what's that hillary clinton line that she used to use? the definition of madness is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. just in terms of the politics, and also in terms of the spending and the budget piece of this, this crowd in washington right now is doing the same thing over and over. and what you're going to have, i'm afraid, for republican friends, is that the politics don't work out well. you just fought on the same...
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oftenly confused with hillary rodham clinton. but not politically. let me talk about this, because you're on the front all the time fighting for same-sex rights and gay rights generally. isn't it odd that in a country where we have begun to shift dramatically in that action towards more than acceptance, almost warm acceptance, it's much more positive, okay, we'll go along with that. at the same time we still have a country that still seems to defend gun rights almost to the last man in so many communities. are they different communities? >> i think so. there is a whole range of issues, you know, that we could talk about from reproductive rights to climate change. but i think when it comes to same-sex marriage, we talked earlier about illinois which is poised to be the next state to vote in favor, i think the trajectory both in terms of public sentiment. when i started at hrc, it was 33% of the american people, now it's 43, 53. it will be 60% before long. you have the chairman of the republican party of illinois coming out in favor of this vote, which
oftenly confused with hillary rodham clinton. but not politically. let me talk about this, because you're on the front all the time fighting for same-sex rights and gay rights generally. isn't it odd that in a country where we have begun to shift dramatically in that action towards more than acceptance, almost warm acceptance, it's much more positive, okay, we'll go along with that. at the same time we still have a country that still seems to defend gun rights almost to the last man in so many...